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are a co-founder of the club for growth. you sort of subscribe to that grover norquist idea that don't raise taxes. option number two in the scenario that i put forward, republicans end up being dared to vote against the president's plan. again, forget the politics. forget what jessica said about procedurally not getting there. the point president obama is trying to make is he wants everybody to vote one way or the other, up or down. the idea is republicans will be forced to vote one way or the other on extending the push tax cuts for people making below $250,000 a year. >> yeah. ? and by definition making taxes go up on those earning above that. would republicans be forced to vote for the president's plan to avoid being blamed for rates rising on most taxpayers and going over the fiscal cliff? >> well, a couple thing, ali. first of all, i think the outlines of that deal you just described are probably where they're headed, although i don't think that mitch mcconnell and harry reid -- i hear they're negotiating maybe a little higher income threshold, so maybe not $250,000, maybe $400
done. >> grover norquist holds no elected offense, no official title. he's a lobbyist, president of americans for tax reform. he's been a central figure in this and every tabs debate washington has had for 20 years. for those two decks aid, his position on taxes has been simple -- don't raise them, no time, ever, never. this time he says the senate tax deal is kind of sort of okay and that's got a lot of people somewhat confused. grover norquist johns us now. you said the voting for this deal, which increases taxes on households earning more than 450,000 annually would not violate your pledge that lawmakers make to their constituents. help our viewers understand that. lawmakers who sign that pledge promised to oppose any effort increase tax rates for individuals, for businesses. howe does the fiscal cliff deal not violate that pledge. >> it's technically not a violation of the pledge. but i understand why a lot of republicans have said, look, even though what's happening is the tax cuts disappear and we're restoring them for for most people, so we're not raising taxes, we're actu
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want to bring john avlon into the conversation. i have spoken to grover norquist and wolf has spoken to grover norquist more than we have spoken to our families in the last few days. he's making an interesting philosophical point. if we let these guys go ahead with some kind of tax increase on people above $450,000, we can then move the discussion to spending. so far, the spending is a much more complicated part of the deal. it's a much harder deal to make than to arrive at what percentage to charge and at what threshold. the republicans are hoping that this debate that goes on for two months and longer is now going to go to spending. is that a good bet? >> mark that on your fiscal calendar. when jessica said to us the deal with the sequester, which has been the big open question. remember house republicans' questioning of this. when that gets moved to february, we're doing this all over again. maybe there's a chance to get our deficit and debt in line. the downside, we're going to be playing with fire again walking right up by the edge of the cliff. >> the tax rate and how much you
anything. they have stuck with their grover norquist position they're not going it raise taxes on anybody. when the whole plan "b" thing went up, they passed some spending stuff barely and when we were supposed to deal with the tax stuff at a million they couldn't even bring it up for a vote. i have no idea what mitch mcconnell is talking about. it seems to be nothing more than political posturing, but i want to say nobody is trying to put this on john boehner. it's on boehner. he's the speaker, and so it's not of a political bringsmanship or gamesmanship. it's the fact. >> it seems the strategy here, boehner obviously kind of said and i think he's been called out for this, said it's up to the president and the senate. i give up, we're leaving town. i guess now they're going to come back sunday, as if that's going to create some sense of urgency. what strikes me is the message that continues to come forward is the american people are going to -- believe that the president and democrats are showing real leadership and they will blame the republicans if this deal goes south, and yet when yo
as well. >> let's start in the bay state. number two, we've got grover norquist versus the gop. and here's what's fascinating. he's been a major player, a huge figure, and yet the push back has been growing. the tide has been swelling. take a look at this montage clip of republicans pushing back on grover norquist in the atr pledge. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other should be avoid greed. >> i never signed the pledge. >> he's becoming irrelevant. you can see it in his eyes. he knows the game is up. >> a pledge you sign 20 years ago, 18 years ago, is for that congress. >> i'm going to be the one to determine what a tax increase is. grover norquist is not going to determine what a tax increase is. >> message seems clear. don't fear the grover. that echoes throughout the upper echelons of the gop. >> boehner put tax revenues on the table and we heard nothing from norquist. this is a false drama, manufactured by people like you who can't stand norquist. >> people like me? just because the emperor's weari
pushing back on grover norquist in the atr pledge. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other should be avoid greed. >> i never signed the pledge. >> he's becoming irrelevant. you can see it in his eyes. he knows the game is up. >> a pledge you sign 20 years ago, 18 years ago, is for that congress. >> i'm going to be the one to determine what a tax increase is. grover norquist is not going to determine what a tax increase is. >> message seems clear. don't fear the grover. that echoes throughout the upper echelons of the gop. >> boehner tput tax revenues on the table and we heard nothing from norquist. this is a false drama, manufactured by people like you who can't stand norquist. >> people like me? >> the fiscal cliff is a big deal because it's kind of like a vampire and garlic. once you go over the cliff, tax rate go up so much, anything is a tax cut beyond nat. the thing is if you're actually raising taxes from a current policy tax line, you would violate his pledge, but once they go up automatically, cutti
grover norquist and a lot of people really don't like him. you think grover has the right idea. you have colleague es in the senate, in the house of representatives. we have talked about this endlessly for many months and we both sort of went into the last few days thinking they'll get a deal, they'll do it. it will increase some tacks on the rich and we'll figure out a number. i think both of us put forward it would be $500,000, the threshold. were we wrong or what? >> well, you know, ali, i love you, but i don't want to spend new year's eve with you and we may be doing that. i don't know. look, i still think -- i have been saying this for the last three weeks, there's going to be a deal at the 11th hour. now i'm not quite as confident as i was 24 hours ago, but, you know, as you and i have talked about many times, there's some deep philosophical disagreements here about taxes, about how much the government should be spending. i listened to the gentleman who said president obama won the election so he should get his way, but the republicans say, look, we won the house. i do want to see
spoke to grover norquist, he said if he were a senator, he would vote for the deal, but robert reach, the former labor secretary said if he were a senator, he would oppose the president. you have confusion. grover norquist with the president. robert reich against the president. >> i was listening to that interview closely. we're going to have him on later again. that was quite remarkable. i think that's what you're seeing playing out here. everything doesn't fit neatly into the corners here. there are republicans who think that threshold above which people will pay extra tax is too high, doesn't bring enough revenue in, and grover norquist, i was very surprised when he told you he thinks this deal, he hasn't read it, meets the smell test and he would give approval for republicans to vote for it. >> republicans in the house tomorrow as well. stand by for a moment. the u.s. draws closer and closer to that fiscal cliff. the defense department is facing billions in budget cuts. how a furlough could affect civilian employees in the u.s. and around the world. oh, hey mike. what are you up
the norquist pledge. am i right? >> that's right. absolutely. >> and grover norquist seems to have approved this deal. approved plan b which a lot of republicans didn't support. he couldn't get it to a floor vote. said this is okay. guys like and you many like you across the country are in districts that are not competitive in the general election, they are competitive in the primary, so you have to tack to the side of your party. and that means that it makes it harder for guys like you to compromi compromise, you are keeping an open mind. given your general history, you wouldn't like this deal? >> you stated it perfectly. grover gorgeous kwis well respected. did i sign that pledge in 2002, and that was not just a pledge to grover norquist, u.s. a pledge to the constituents who voted for me over the other two guys, pretty good candidates as well. grover could say theoretically we've gone over the cliff. everyone's taxes have gone up, at least for 12 hours, and a vote would be a vote to lower taxes for everybody under $400,000, and i'm just not sure the people in the 11th of georgia will see
america. >> the tax man cometh. the tax man is here, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform, joining us now. thank you very much. happy new year. >> happy new year. >> why were you in favor of this? it's the first tax increase republicans have voted for in 20 years. >> no republican voted for a tax increase. what happened is obama had the demaclese over the american people, unless the house senate and president voted on something. >> the bush tax cuts had set to expire. >> they were set to expire two years ago and obama extended them for two years without change for everybody, for himself and everyone else. then he said he was worried about the economy and he didn't want to kill jobs. now that his job was safely protected, he's less understood what happened to the economy, the tax increases that he insisted on, all the republicans in the house and the senate who voted more than once to extend the bush tax cuts for everybody permanently, so the republicans are quite clear. they want the tax cuts extended for everyone. the president insisted on taking them away from som
for the first time in two decades. just before 11:00 p.m., grover norquist tried to keep his infamous pledge from going obsolete, tweeting "the bush tax cuts lapsed at midnight last night. every "r" voting for senate bill is cutting taxes and keeping his or her pledge." sorry, grover, the impact of the bill is absolutely a tax hike. supporting it was not unanimous, all but five republicans and three democrats in the senate voted for it, but it was much closer in the house. 151 republicans, more than half of the gop members, voted no, including majority leader eric cantor and republican whip kevin mccarthy. at the end of the day, enough lawmakers across the aisle agreed to the deal, but at a cost of extremely strained relationships. politico reports on an encounter between speaker boehner and harry reid in the white house lobby. go [ bleep ] yourself, boehner sniped, as he pointed his finger at reid, according to multiple sources present. speaker boehner refused to bring forward a bill funding emergency aid for victims of superstorm sandy. this is how republican peter king responded this morn
comment, grover norquist joins us now. let's stay on this other thing. they have known for a couple of days the president would likely, leave hawaii, fly in, drop and washington, d.c., and try to save america from falling off the fiscal cliff. how does the president when this optics war, grover? >> it is all politics. he has not put a proposal on the table that makes any sense. republicans have actually passen plan a, bu the ryan budget, the ryan plan. ent saving transit dollars over the decade. it reforms taxes, does not raise it, reforms that without raising taxes on people. so that is a plan that is passed in the house of representatives in the house of representatives republicans in the senate. the alternative to that is nothing. eric: we know that will not pass the senate and we know the white house will not sign it. here is what my contention has been. allow me. work with me. very important question at the end of this. we go off the cliff, all the tax cuts expire, sequestration,ick whatever. here is the question though. if president obama then says i will put in the tax cuts f
norquist, republican lobbiest grover norquist even said the senate deal was an okay deal. he would vote for it if he were a senator, he said because republicans should still be part of it because -- this is a spin on his part because 84% of the bush tax cuts were still in place. and yet those tea party house reasoning wouldn't go along with grover norquist. we catholics say there is a problem when you are holier than the pope. well, that's the case with these house republicans. i don't know. congress is so broken i don't know how we can fix it other than in 2014 target every one of these tea party republicans with a even a responsible republican and throw out this congress. their goal is to destroy this country. arthur delaney will join us when we come back. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." ♪ every day presents another exciting issue. from financial regulation, iran getting a nuclear bomb, civil war in syria, fraud on wall street, destruction of medicare and medicaid. there are real issues here. having been a governor, i know that trade-offs are tough. things
. grover norquist. we had an election and boehner was elected speaker now lame duck obama should get over it. >> okay, a boehner hasn't been -- boehner hasn't been elected to anything yet because there's going to be a fight between him and eric cantor coming up. >> stephanie: crazy cowboy, eric eric cantor. >> okay corral. and it won't be okay for you. it will be super okay for me because i moisturize. >> stephanie: oh, boehner boehner. ♪ ♪ i am just an orange boy ♪ ♪ i have squandered my influence for a pocketful of tax cuts for the filthy rich ♪ ♪ my eyes get wet still a man cries when he thinks about which fabric is the best ♪ ♪ on the house floor stands the boehner and he's whining constantly ♪ ♪ and the fiscal cliff reminds him of every vote that let him down ♪ ♪ as he cried out in his anger and his shame ♪ ♪ i'm weeping i am weeping but he still remains ♪ ♪ crying eyes ♪ ♪ crying eyes ♪ >> yea! rocky mountain mike. >> stephanie: rocky mountain mike never on vacation.
is the grover norquist pledge that the officials, mainly republicans, have taken. it should be deemed unconstitutional. no elected official should be allowed to take any kind of pledge. when boehner presented plan b, he could not even get a vote on it because it would raise taxes for the million-dollar people. this is definitely a problem. i also think that no entitlement should be part of this when it comes to the senior citizens. their social security, they do not get paid that much. >> she was mentioning the bill that the speaker had to pull because he did not have the votes, the one that would raise income over those making over $1 million per year. a news reporter from "the washington post" talked about the cliff. the minority leader has appealed to the vice president directly in a last-ditch deal to avoid a fiscal cliff. kerry reid stepped back from the talks on the senate floor. and he had yet to hear back from the. -- from them. we will show you comments in a short while ago. taking your phone calls on the fiscal cliff with two days to go, the house and senate vote in a sessio
norquist had said never cut any spending? i'm going to sign a bill that says never cut and spending. grover norquist, here's a great example, he does not even believe in economic case multipliers. host: gary says -- guest: what's interesting about the last election cycles is we had under president bush and the end, democrats seized control of congress in big numbers. and we had the big democratic sweep with the white house in 2008. 2010, republicans came sweeping back. we've had a pendulum swing, very contractive time period. that's one of the factors. we have seen both sides really dug in because they don't know where the pendulum will swing in the next direction. host: from one of our viewers -- on facebook -- guest: that's right. one of the points she raises is it's easy to look and collectors and say we will just drop 10% of this program and 20% off that program. but when you get down to the individual programs, we're talking state and local police departments, fire departments, teachers' pay, all sorts of programs that have different constituencies that you would feel the impact of som
comment not sitting well with grover norquist who joins us now. let me stay on this other thing, they've known a couple days the president would like likely life hawaii and dropped into washington, d.c. and save america from the fiscal cliff. how does the president win this optics war, grover? >> well, it's all politics. he's not put a proposal on the table that makes any sense. when talk about plans a, b, and c, the republicans have passed plan a, the ryan bill, ryan budget and plan. that saves $6 trillion over the next decade. it reforms entitlements. it reforms taxes. doesn't raise them, reforms them without raising taxes on people. so that's a plan that's written down that's passed the house of representatives and has strong support among republicans in the senate. the alternative is nothing. >> we know that's not going to pass the senate and we also know the white house isn't going to sign that. move on. my contention is after -- >> allow me. >> work with me. it's an important question. let's say president obama says we're going off the fiscal cliff. we go off the cliff. tax cuts
. but in the end, the republicans are not free to talk taxes. they've bought on to grover norquist's no new taxes. and that sort of has set the stage for a complete failure on the broader efforts to deal with taxes and spending. so to avoid this utterly upness artificial fiscal cliff crisis, all they need to do is approve something small. but it's something republicans remain reluctant to do, and will only do, if they do, at the last minute, after having then str t demonstrated to tea party supporters they did everything they could. >> i wonder if we should be surprised. do you see any short term way to fix this? what is your thoughts about the chances here? >> yeah, listen, there are fewer competitive seats. many more safe seats, largely as a result of an idealogical and geographical sorting. gerrymandering contributing it to, but it's by no means the main factor. the things that we can do in the long run, but in the short term, republicans have to feel that they have to change, they have to open their party, broaden the base if they are to avoid falling into permanent minority party status. >>
and grover norquist gives a thumbs up to up? >> i don't think that was the strategy a week ago. i think the speaker was trying to put the deal together, as we've seen the senate not -- i think that may become the strategy. i've always thought they would wait until the last hour, put a band eight on it, but wait until the iii so they can vote for a tax cut makes sense as well. >> marjorie, there will be people on the left looking at this. this is basically a clean late. does the left look at this as a way for the president to stand firm in the fact that in one federal voice he was reelected on taxes going up. so is this going to be palatability to the left if the president is standing firm? >> absolutely. you've seen his numbers have increased since the election and also increased in how people view his handling of the fiscal cliff, while attitudes towards republicans are consistently bad and the blame and disapproval is only growing for them. it's costing them in the polls and at the polls this crisis of leadership, this consistent blocking that every obama has tried to do. it's really
accomplished. we have grover norquist who said republicans did not violate his pledge and he stood up for those who voted again. let's take a listen. >> it's 157 voted against the deal. were they against cutting taxes for almost everybody? no. they wanted to cut taxes for everybody. they are mad there was no spending restraint and taxes went up. >> while vote are for the measure, they voted against the anti-tax orthodox for the first time in decades. did this deepen the party's ideological divide? >> there is clearly a civil war going on in the republican party in terms of personalities and you saw between boehner and kantor and others. in terms of the policies. they have not come to terms with the fact that you are talking about solving the big problems and the debt and the deficits and you have to have revenue on the table. this is the dilemma they face. until they get that under control, you are continuing to see this divide to define who they are. >> i mentioned that we saw this flit and speaker boehner who voted in favor of the bill. it was brave for the speaker to vote on the bill? in the
's the day after the cliff deal because it came at 11:59 last night. >> sure did. >> grover norquist had this tweet where he essentially said the bush tax cuts lapsed at midnight, every r voting for the senate bill is cutting taxes and keeping his/her pledge. democrats were vehemently against all these tax cuts because they raise the deficit. these will raise the deficit by about $4 trillion. are you worried last night the deal added too much to the deficit? how come democrats have basically embraced these bush tax cuts from about a decade ago? >> let's look at what the reason was the democrats opposed those 2001 and 2003 tax cuts. it's because they weren't paid for. they blew a massive hole in the deficit, along with the two wars that weren't paid for and the medicare part d drug plan, which was a good thing but was not paid for. we need to go back to pay as you go rules. the republicans when they came in and took the majority back got rid of that requirement. we're for responsible tax cuts that help the middle class. we're not for and neither were the american people as they said in th
, just want to tax everything. and republicans who totally grover norquist taxes, they hate them, that is not true. to a degree that kind of disturbs me, actually, the two parties mostly agree on keeping the bush tax cuts. up to $250,000 in income, which is a lot of income. republicans and democrats want to keep all the bush tax cuts. that's way more than 80% of all the bush tax cuts. they agree on all of that, no argument. where they disagree is democrats want to raise taxes on any income over 250,000. and they'll accept at this point 400,000. and republicans, though, this is what people don't always know, republicans want to raise taxes too, they want to raise them on poor people. they want to let the stimulus tax cuts expire. those are tax cuts that are helping poor and middle tax cuts. a family may get $60,000 will see a tax increase of almost $1,000. the white house opposes that tax increase. that is the shape of the disagreement on taxes. democrats want to raise them on the rich, republicans want to raise them on the poor. that is where the fight is happening number four. a
. >> presidents of americans for tax reforms, grover norquist ond how his tax pledge has played a role in the cliff negotiations. we're back after a quick break. my eye on her... t but with so much health care noise, i didn't always watch out for myself. with unitedhealthcare, i get personalized information and rewards for addressing my health risks. but she's still going to give me a heart attack. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. >>> we are hours away from the fiscal cliff itself. when a series of automatic tax hikes and spending cuts will take place in this country. the house of representatives of beginning legislative business in about 60 seconds or so, as we await any word on whether any potential deal is reached. negotiations involving mitch mcconnell and vice president joe biden, two men who worked together for more than 20 years in the senate. of course, the senate reconvenes at 11:00 a.m. eastern time, in about an hour. a quick look at how the markets are reacting on this final day of 2012. obviously a lot of indecision here, riding the flat line, trying to hed
, thank you so much. >>> the president's reported i get that for free comment not sitting well with grover norquist who joins us now. let met on this other thing, they've known a couple days the president would like likely life hawaii and opped into washington, d.c. and save america from the fiscal cliff. how does the president win this optics war, grover? >> well, it's all politics. he's not put a proposal on the table that makes any sense. when talk about plans a, b, and c, the republicans have passed plana,he ryan bill, ryan budget and plan. that saves $6 trillion over the next decade. it reforms entitlements. it reforms taxes. doesn't raise them, reforms them without raising taxe on people. so that's a plan that's written down that's passed the house of representatives and has strong support among republicans in the senate. the alternative is nothing. >> we know that's not going to pass the senate and we also know the white house isn't going to sign that. move on. my contention is after -- >> allow me. >> work with me. it's an important question. let's say president obama says we're go
-- quote from another player -- that is from culver norquist. -- grover norquist. he is suggesting that the gop's negotiating position in the fiscal debate is stronger than being reported. that is at grover norquist for you. others have weighed in as well -- as well. here is "the new york times" -- james in oklahoma, a democratic caller. what is your take? caller: my question is, who is running this country? is it the president, the congress, or is it the american people? the american people break the back to survive on a daily basis. congress does not have that problem. i may not get to eat just because to feed -- just to feed my kids. congress does not have that problem. they do not share the problems. they do not care about our problems. all as long as they get with it and what they got. thank you. host: alex in georgia, republican color. -- caller. caller: happy new year to everybody. i think it is a win, ironically, for republicans. i think anybody of any common- sense realizes -- i will even say you are going to say $300,000 and above, even for household, that is at the chair
. both times, boehner could not deliver because they refused because of grover norquist to allow any tax revenues whatsoever. we had meetings with the vice president, biden and cantor. cantor walked out of those meetings. he is the majority leader in the house. we had the gang of six, the gang of eight. we had this super committee, and they were doing good things, good things, dealing with entitlements and revenues. and a week before they were to report, buy virtue of statute, i get a letter signed by virtually every republican, too bad about the super committee, we're not going to do anything with revenues. so this is not a capsule of a couple of days. this has been going on for years. they cannot cross over the threshold that has been built by grover norquist. people who are rich, who make a lot of money, they are not opposing raising the taxes on them. the only people in america who don't think taxes should be raised on the rich are the republicans who work in this building. so any time the speaker and the republican leader come to the president and say we have got a deal for you, the
norquist and his pledge? >> it's odd because grover was the one sort of outside government institution on the conservative side who agreed with speaker boehner's plan "b" which would have allowed taxes to go up above $1 million in income. all the other conservative groups say no. i think grover's pledge, i don't know where it goes from here. obviously is doesn't have as much teeth as is it did because there are people who are willing to buck it. >> i think the key thing with the grover pledge though is that republicans feel like they're in such a corner here, the house is in disarray, boehner doesn't really know where his caucus is going to go. they're not really worried about grover's pledge. they're more worried about rebuilding the party and surviving this horrible moment when they barely control one chamber. >> okay. so i want to run this by you. charles krauthammer from "the washington post" has suggested this kind of complicated theory that the president has a bigger plan here. wonder if we can play this tape of what he says the president's strategy is. >> he's been using this, a
the right has been captured by antitax interest by grover norquist, by people who won't come to the table and have a reasonable conversation about modest tax increases in relationship to modest cuts in spending where the majority of american people are. and so -- >> alexis, let's be honest. >> because the house is acting like bunch of kids. >> the president is backtracking on his deal because all he's concerned about doing is breaking house republicans on this issue, because he wants to get his agenda through before the 2014 election and he feels the best way to do this is make house republicans and john boehner who is now the least popular congressional leader look like bad guys. it's political heater and not good governance. >> heather: we appreciate you joining us. we'll see what happens. >> thank you. >> kelly: preparations are underway for the new year's eve celebration in times square. crews are hard at work putting the finishing touches on some old traditions and a few new ones. a special inscription on this year's ball is just one feature that organizers say will make this new yea
dumb. >> let me ask you this. grover norquist, who is the person who gave these guys this pledge, gave cover not only to this plan but gave cover to john boehner's last plan, plan b. he is saying get away from this poisonous income tax rate discussion and then the democrats have no excuse but to focus on the spending and the entitlement issue. he gave effort. so where does the bloodymindedness come from that says i'm not even going to pay attention to that, i'm going to dig in my heels. my guess is when you see the names of the people who have decided to step up against this, these are people who want more elected positions, they want greater positions of power, they are the paul ryans, eric cantors, marco rubios of florida. no one is prepared to put the country in front of their own political interests tonight. >> that is exactly right. look, it's worth noting that among the republicans in the senate who voted against this amendment to avoid going over the cliff, two were people widely believed to be running for president in 2016. marco rubio and rand paul. that's not an accident. tha
by a small group of extreme republicans. we know that grover norquist may or may not have influence, but in the end, what is holding them back from a deal right now? >> one thing that is holding them back is that speaker boehner does not have full control over the conference. he has about 50 votes on the far right of the party that did not back his plan b to set a $1 million threshold. at the end of of the day, if a deal is going to be done, it is only going to happen if the center of both parties comes together. if you make any concessions significant to the democratic base, you will have concessions on the far right as well. that coalition is ultimately what got us across the finish line that ended the whole debacle of the credit rating, and here we are again. there is not that much time. if we go over the cliff, democrats are willing to put forth a bill to save the tax cuts, but it is the dysfunction that is the problem and the lack of predictable and the prediction of brinkmanship that has folks at home furious and it should. >> i am getting a lot of twitter activity on this, an
you just voiced that makes -- lends credence to the fact that this is a tax increase to some. grover norquist gave his blessing to the deal and justified it by saying republicans didn't technically raise taxes since the bush tax cuts expired on january 1st. he was on with our andrea mitchell today. look at what he had to say. >> no republican voted for tax increase. what happened was obama had the dam cleez over the people with the tax increase over the next decade that would happen automatically. the republicans are quite clear. they want the tax cuts extended for everyone. the president insisted on taking them away from some people. that'll hurt the economy. he got his tax increase, but he can't claim republican fingerprints on his tax increase. >> well, wait a second. i mean, we're not living in the alice in wonderland world here. there is a tax increase for wealthier americans. it's literally a tax increase. >> well, first of all -- >> rates are up. >> what happened yesterday was all the tax rates went up and then the republicans and congress together took them down for some peop
're listening to grover norquist and unfortunately the tea party has been distorted. i took a little opportunity today to read about the historic i think 1773 when the tea partiers, boston tea partiers threw tea into the boston harbor. they were fighting for the colonies, for our independence, fighting for america. what are the tea party advocates fighting for now, that's not america. to see our economy troubled by the fact that the markets are nervous about going over this slippery slope. if that doesn't touch your heart on middle class americans seeing their tax bill go up enormously or $109 billion in immediate cuts in places where we probably can't cut. we cut $1.2 trillion and if i can say this one point, can you believe it on this day as we are looking for a solution someone has come up with the idea, i'm not going to raise the debt ceiling unless you give me another $1.2 trillion in cuts in medicare. let's stop the one upsmanship. i'm ready to vote on sunday to make it work and to make it work with a compromise. let's come tocchet and we can do this job. >> all right. you heard it here. t
don't have to worry about their pledge to grover norquist or americans for tax reform, they will have a tax cut. i think people have been thinking all along that really if push comes to shove, we'll do it in the new year and that seems to be what's developing. >> it creates an interesting dynamic, you'd have a new congress sworn in on january 3rd and ordinarily everyone goes home, get your picture taken, that's it. you're essentially swearing in a new congress and moving to the floor. that's something we haven't seen in quite a while, i'd say in the modern era. >> one of the odd things on the first day is elect a speaker. the majority party puts up -- this time it would be john boehner. the minority puts up their chosen leader, this time nancy pelosi. it's usually pro forma, but this time it has a real weight to it, because one of the reasons we're in this situation right now is because we're waiting for john boehner to be reelected to speaker of the house before they make a move, because only if 16 or 17 republicans don't vote for the guy, he could lose. they just want to wait. >> th
a grover norquist. >> group of people in the house of representatives slapped around their own leader. >> there's a word called compromise. >> it doesn't work this way. >> how does it work? >> basic fairness. >> i love that you are the last person i want to talk to before i go to sleep at night. >> a lot of democrats get mad at me. >> i am cautiously optimistic. >> the vice president and i worked together on solutions before. we can again. >> you say things like that and you make it impossible for me to hate you. >> but the american people elected me to put forward a balanced approach. >> my whole life i don't know what this song means. it means should old acquaintance be forgot. >> i want to wish everybody a happy new year. >> let's bring in the new year with our panel, jimmy williams and susan del percio and angela, general counsel for the congressional black caucus. welcome all of you. jimmy, let's start with the fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> we're hearing about a strange marriage between minority leader mitch mcconnell and the vice president. why is the senate's top republican
this and then the promised spending cuts, you know what they're all going hear in their head. grover norquist telling them they never come. they're the unicorn that doesn't exist. >> a lot of republicans at this point will say, you know what? after all of this they may not be saying publicly now, but they'll say let's just take the sequester and at least we'll be cutting some spending and we'll be cutting the actual spending and take that sequester. >> last word. >> i don't disagree with you and jimmy on this point. this is not a deficit reduction deal that will stabilize the debt to gdp ratio and that has to be -- that has to be one of the goals of a broader deal that now we're probably going to be looking for on the other side of the cliff. >> yeah. i don't know. it doesn't seem to be any part of the president's goal. jared, good to see you always. jimmy, you, too. we'll get you guys back in just a few minutes. we'll get you to the roundtable if you haven't had enough yet. what will it mean for banks? new analysis shows that the expiration ever tax cuts will improve bank savings in 2013, by, listen to t
'm so glad. ( laughter ). >> when ronald reagan was president, grover norquist was in diapers and rush limbaugh was a disk jockey, i think, in st. louis. you have had a hermetically sealed culture grow up on the right in this country that as we saw during the last election, is removed from reality and is extreme in the most egregious way. >> and you don't have to go all the way-- >> it's much further than that. when bill clinton passed that budget deal, he didn't get a single republican vote. and there hasn't been a republican vote for tax increases in 20 years, and if the deal falls apart today-- which i think it probably will-- the reason is there will be no republican votes. even in the senate, much less to the house for a tax increase, which is what they're talking about. >> in the short term there's no political penalty to pay for that, back to your point, i guess, that we re-elected both a democratic president and because-- because of jerry manneddering, so there's no political price to pay so members of congress with vote in the interest of the their constituents and not the bes
't like grover norquist. now a message to washington. >> this shows how incredibly out of touch you are, are you off in la la land and everybody is saying you are acting like a bunch of spoil brats who are more interested in being wririg than doing the right thing for the people who elected you. tyeah, its the galaxy note ii.re great. you can do two things at the same time. you can watch videos and text. or you could watch the earnings report and take notes, like we're supposed to. so... can i get it? yeah. okay either of you put together the earnings report yet? yes, me totally. what? why don't you tackle the next quarter. you eat yet? polynesian? pu pu platter? yup! keep up the good work. i will keep up the good work. do more with the new samsung galaxy note ii. i've always kept my eye on her... but with so much health care noise, i didn't always watch out for myself. with unitedhealthcare, i get personalized information and rewards for addressing my health risks. but she's still going to give me a heart attack. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. if by blessed you mean freake
broken the iron grip of grover norquist on the republican party, at least in the senate, and taxes have gone up on the top 2% and that will help us if going forward. and then secondly, we have a compromise. and that is really vital to this country, to see that congress can have debates in division and can make decisions. and there is no harm that is being done by this bill to the american economy and the american middle class. there is some positive things here, despite the fact that both sides are going to have a lot to criticize, and the thing that is alarming to everybody is that two months from now, we're going to be back at it again with the debt ceiling, with the -- with the budget expiring, and that is going to be another fight all over again. >> you know, congressman, you say that there will be no harm to the american middle class. but the republicans would argue that by not putting in any spending cuts, that in fact you are harming the middle class, because it is just incurring more and more and more debt. the house minority leader nancy police plo pelosi said up or down vote.
one person's opinion carries disproportionate weight and that person is grover norquist. he's the head of americans for tax reform. they have got the pledge that mostly republican members of congress signed to say they won't increase taxes. now, understand this. the top marginal tax rate going from 35% to 39.6% is not a tax increase. it is a return to tax rates that would have taken place after the temporary bush tax cuts expired and got extended. so the way i see it, that cuts with designed to be temporary, but clearly norquist disagrees with me. >> let's say we let the bush tax cuts expire at the end of the year and then congress moved to increase tax rates. would that count? would that violate your pledge? >> that would clearly be -- look, you can't go to the american people and say we raised taxes $500 billion and then we cut it $400 billion, please only look at the cut, not the overall rate. if you raise taxes $100 billion on the american people, they're going to notice it. it doesn't pass the laugh test. >> now, people say he's just one guy. grover likes to say the pledge isn't t
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the president and boehner, both times boehner could not deliver because they refused because of grover norquist to allow any taxes for revenues whatsoever. we had meetings with the vice president biden and cantor. he walked out of it. he's the majority leader in the house. we had this supercommittee and they were doing good things. good things. dealing with entitlements and revenues and a week before they were to report, by virtue of a statute, i get a letter signed by virtually every republican, too bad about the supercommittee. we're not going to do anything with revenues. >> okay. i think that's a good place to end this. what you're hearing is the history of what has happened to bring us to this point. i want to bring in our congressional correspondent dana bash. dana, i was just sitting here imagining someone turning on their tv thinking, what a these people talking about? and i think i would sort of boil it down to this. when they are talking on the floor, that's never a good sign. they should be talking in a back room. they have gotten nowhere. we are where we are and nobody has agreed on
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it offends grover norquist. what role do the pledges play in our inability to compromise? >> well, i'm certain it does play a role. i've never signed these pledges because my obligation to the people who elected me and that's the way it should be for each member of congress, because times change. the circumstances change, you have to address the issue at hand. it is important to have extending the tax cuts for especially the middle income but secondly to put spending cuts on the table. we have a large debt problem and i understand as far as the republican position is concerned, so that does have credibility, and we have to come to the table on both of those issues, but i think more than anything else, what is deeply troubling is that you can't get congress and the president to reach any accord on anything. we can't even do routine business, let alone the matters that could affect the future of this country. >> olympia snowe you and what you represent will be missed in the senate. senator olympia snowe republican from maine who will not be in the next congress. >>> up ahead they're kn
, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. norquist's pledge, signed by almost all republicans in congress, forbids signatories for raising taxes ever, under any circumstances. things come to a head in the summer of 2011. republicans demand the government reduce its deficit as a condition for raising the nation's debt ceiling. without a deal, the u.s. would lose its ability to borrow money. both democrats and republicans deploy scorched earth tactics that nearly shut down the government and ultimately cost america its aaa credit rating for the first time in history. but in a last-minute compromise, both sides agree to $1 trillion in spending cuts up front and another $1.2 trillion in cuts to be decided by a special congressional super committee. but a poison pill was attached. if the super committee can't reach a deal, automatic across-the-board cuts, known as the sequester, would go into effect, starting january 2013. at the exact moment when those bush tax cuts extended for two years, if you remember, would expire. so the point is, we could have all seen this comi
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